The Joe Budden Podcast Episode 940

— [100:04.140 --> 100:09.400] correct me if I'm wrong, I think his mother was there or something and was like no, let him go and he's like no.

— [100:09.880 --> 100:18.760] So again, yo, punishment is punishment. What you call over training somebody and what Brandon Marshall was calling training, low key, when you look and his son is a

— [100:19.580 --> 100:20.720] fucking all-American

— [100:21.140 --> 100:34.840] 1st wide receiver picked in the draft, people gonna go back to be like, yo, that is what training looks like. I get what you're saying, Ish. The results may be the same, but The overtraining and punishment are 2 totally different things. They're not even close.

— [100:35.340 --> 100:37.060] 1 is a result of an action.

— [100:37.860 --> 100:47.980] Brandon Marshall made him do that. Now, he might train him regularly. Cool. We talk about this particular video. Brandon Marshall is running with him. He's in the truck, got the kid running because of something he did.

— [100:48.320 --> 101:15.340] So this ain't just your training. That's why he's doing it too, yeah. Yeah, and the Rick Brunson case, I wanna say that it was under the premise of, at any time, if you don't wanna be a basketball player, say that and we'll never do this again. But if you wanna be a basketball player, you gotta keep pushing. But if you wanna be a basketball player, this is what it takes. This is what we're doing. That's different than I'm punishing you for an action that you did I mean we doing all this who nanny because of some non physical punishment. It is a physical punishment. He's not being beat

— [101:15.740 --> 101:18.460] It's still physical you're making my run 3 miles of physical

— [101:19.620 --> 101:49.080] 3 miles he's just starting I'm saying I'm gonna make you run. Okay running 3 blocks is a physical punishment. No, it's not. It's not an intense 1. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. No, it's literally. This is just a definition. If I ask you to do something physical as a punishment, it's a physical punishment. I agree with you. Whether I make you do the chair on the wall, it's a physical punishment. Yeah. Hold the books in front of your hands. It's a physical punishment. When we say physical punishment, we're talking about physical. We're talking about abuse. Yeah. I don't think you making your kid run 3 blocks or a mile is necessarily abusive. I don't either.

— [101:49.500 --> 101:50.000] Okay.

— [101:50.460 --> 102:17.820] It can be. Again, my point is putting it on the internet. My issue is the internet part of it. You know what I mean? I'm with that too. Like there are ways to, because Brandon Marshall and I are in the same fraternity, right, and I know, which is why I think it's really interesting that he's doing it this way, right? Because there's a long theory that the only way to enter a fraternity is by beating people in. And then other people say, well, there's other ways to impose physical discipline to create brotherhood other than physically beating people. Calisthenics being 1 of them. So I'm with Brandon on that. I don't have an issue with that.

— [102:18.220 --> 102:20.260] I think, again, let parents decide what they want to do as long

— [102:20.800 --> 102:21.780] as it's not abusive.

— [102:22.280 --> 102:25.580] I just think that when you humiliate people, and I think the internet runs the risk

— [102:25.920 --> 102:27.700] of creating humiliation for people.

— [102:28.500 --> 102:30.420] There's lessening humiliation, though. Absolutely.

— [102:31.300 --> 102:32.220] Major lesson.

— [102:33.060 --> 103:15.300] Some people said that I bugged out for coming on air in front of all these people and telling my story about Dre. I feel completely opposite. I'm on the total other side of that. There's a lesson to learn that you didn't get from all the other places. So let's try it this way. And as it turns out, hundreds of people, you done told me all week people would come up to me just knocking sense into me. So I mean, there's a difference. There's a difference. Joe, let me ask you a question. There's a difference. And what I think you're trying to say is when you bring it to the internet and social media, it never dies. It never goes away. So Trey could be 50 years old and somebody could still come back and bring this story up and play this and throw it in your face again. And you're also telling the story of it. What if you had the nest footage of him getting the beats, right?

— [103:15.900 --> 103:20.300] Would you have put that on, would you have put that, Would you have put that on Patreon? No. Right.

— [103:21.040 --> 103:34.620] So if it comes up, if someone did, let's say the guy put it up, that would live forever. And that would be far, I think the value of that would far outstrip, like what he got from that, the value this week has been great. You told the story, he's also an adult, but you told the story,

— [103:35.020 --> 103:37.900] he got the lesson, cool. But if the video were to go up,

— [103:40.000 --> 103:45.500] I think they're the same fruit more than Jalen Brunson. My point is the physical image of somebody being punished

— [103:46.060 --> 103:48.300] is humiliation. We can't possibly, I'm sorry, go ahead, foot.

— [103:50.060 --> 104:04.940] I just want to ask a question to Mark. So what do you say to the parents that exhausted all their resources in order to discipline a child and nothing happens? What do you say to that parent? I don't think there's ever such a thing as exhausting. Yes, there is. I think we all... I think we all...

— [104:06.160 --> 104:40.260] If you're... Why do you think military school is the last option? I think it's the last option people choose. There are other things that could be done. I'm not saying they're wrong. Again, what I'm saying is that oftentimes, before we do something physical, we always say we've done everything else we could do. And I'm saying that there are often other ideas, other resources, other things we can do besides that thing. I'm not saying that that particular thing is necessarily wrong. Again, if you want to send your kid to military school and you think that's the choice, have at it. That's not my issue. So you can't beat your kid, you can't make your kid run a block, and you can't put your kid's punishment on the internet? This is, bro, what we're talking about.

— [104:40.660 --> 104:42.940] Again, I didn't say you can't make your kid run.

— [104:43.260 --> 104:58.220] We keep saying that and then arguing it back down. He said the recording. I'm saying make your kid run. I'm saying just don't videotape it I'm saying yo Joe, he just told the story of making his kid run I would have been fine with if Joe were to show the tape of tray getting beat up by a guy That's nowhere near the same

— [104:58.540 --> 105:05.280] as me having my son run some blocks. We're not gonna make them parallel I didn't say they're parallel you're missing my point

— [105:05.660 --> 105:09.560] parallel is the fact that the video lives forever. That's all I'm talking about. I know. I understand. And so

— [105:09.880 --> 105:11.300] when he 20 years from now,

— [105:11.640 --> 105:23.100] if Trey getting his ass whooped by some stranger whose porch he stepped on, It's gonna be viewed totally different than me making my son run as a form of punishment 3 or 4 blocks down the street They're not the same

— [105:24.880 --> 105:25.880] That's not humiliation

— [105:30.060 --> 105:47.420] I also don't believe in the whole way if you do something online, it lives forever. As a man that be looking for the doofy shit that you're doing in 2014, it's tough to find. It can be. It's tough to find. It can be because of that. Some people get money, they'll go and do the shit where you won't never see how to do stuff. There's a kid right now,

— [105:48.480 --> 105:58.120] remember the kid whose dad gave him the George Jefferson haircut? Yes. He said, you wanna act like a grown man, I'm gonna treat you like a grown man and cut the kid's hair back to look exactly like George Jefferson. The kid was like 12.

— [105:59.240 --> 106:03.640] That meme still pops up right now, 20 years later. The kid is 30.

— [106:04.800 --> 106:19.440] It's part of growing up though. It's part of your lessons though. I get what you're saying. I think that's success. For me, in closing, this is my take. I'm not telling it, I'm not saying it for it to be your take I'm not telling nobody how to raise their kids I don't and have never hit my kids,

— [106:19.940 --> 106:21.740] I'm not into that. Same.

— [106:22.240 --> 106:22.920] My kids

— [106:23.940 --> 106:25.940] also learn slower than me.

— [106:27.740 --> 106:32.860] Maybe as a result, same thing. They don't learn it as fast as I learned it with all of this gentle parenting

— [106:33.260 --> 106:34.300] shit. This shit

— [106:34.900 --> 106:44.120] don't work. My mom took that yellow belt out, all she had to do was say, Quack, quack! My mom, my mom. I better fix up. Yo, yeah, like. My mom off the threat, off the

— [106:44.460 --> 106:54.680] look. So what about the pips? My mom used to say, My mom used to say, I'm coming up to school. You coming up to the school. Talking through the teeth. Yo, when the principal would call my mother, my mother would be like, I'm going to get you.

— [106:55.440 --> 107:05.140] Yeah. And I knew to go home, put long johns on, sweatpants on, some other shit, Put my jeans on top. I was so sweet. I hope she'll wake you up

— [107:05.700 --> 107:08.680] When the teacher or the principal is I'm I'm calling

— [107:09.060 --> 107:15.540] your mother and they knew what time it was The teacher and principal knew what was happening. We are now I gotta go phone home

— [107:15.860 --> 107:19.080] take the phone off the hook on the sneak tip.

— [107:19.500 --> 107:24.360] You know how much shit I gotta do? I gotta change the answering machine. Pull the wire, pull the wire.

— [107:25.300 --> 107:29.120] 1 time I think I answered and was a parent. Like I was a dad.

— [107:29.840 --> 107:31.920] Yo, you had a deep voice when you was young? No.

— [107:33.140 --> 107:35.700] No nigga, I used to do, I used to forge signatures,

— [107:36.040 --> 107:48.400] anything to not let these teachers know, or not let mama know. Yeah, nah, I don't know. That's back when they had the old answering machines too. Yeah, you had the Rewinder tape. Take that Rewinder motherfuckin' back shit too, man. Nah, I used to put a whole new tape in there.

— [107:49.020 --> 107:52.840] Cause I'd fucked up. I'd be like, I'll erase half of it, then the other half come on.

— [107:53.140 --> 107:56.560] Nah, we put a whole new tape. Delete that number off the call ID box?

— [107:57.200 --> 107:57.700] Word.

— [107:58.150 --> 107:58.650] I

— [107:59.100 --> 108:00.840] might even change the machine 1 time.

— [108:01.420 --> 108:03.320] Yo, Joe Button don't have a parent.

— [108:04.740 --> 108:08.800] If you're looking for a parent of Joseph Anthony Budden he's raising his selfie

— [108:09.140 --> 108:12.260] and if you take that into consideration he's doing a pretty good job.

— [108:12.960 --> 108:17.700] Anyway Mark yeah we making these kids run And we beating them and we putting them online, nigga. Take

— [108:18.560 --> 108:20.500] that shit up there with Janis Joplin.

— [108:21.280 --> 108:23.480] Barry Manilow. Barry Manilow and them niggas.

— [108:23.800 --> 108:25.180] And Bruce Springsteen. Bruce Springsteen.

— [108:26.400 --> 108:30.840] Bruce Springsteen. What's your favorite 3 Janis Joplin songs? I don't have 3 favorite songs. Oh yeah,

— [108:32.900 --> 108:34.340] shit. What does that have to do with

— [108:35.100 --> 108:35.600] anything?

— [108:37.240 --> 108:38.560] I'm just talking shit.

— [108:39.740 --> 108:42.320] Yeah, they were climbing on Clive Davis earlier.

— [108:42.840 --> 108:47.620] You and Bobby McQueen. When he passed away, maybe. Yeah, he died yesterday. Yeah, I know that, but what do you mean they were clowning him?

— [108:48.160 --> 108:51.780] In fairness, we were comparing him to Barry Gordy. It just said who had the biggest like

— [108:53.100 --> 109:00.760] impact or like talent development and talent finding people's. And who they said it? I said Clive Davis and they were. The right answer is Barry Gordy.

— [109:01.520 --> 109:05.400] Yeah, Barry Gordy. But you can listen to the 1st. The white dancer is Clive Davis.

— [109:05.900 --> 109:06.680] I got you.

— [109:07.600 --> 109:14.240] What else is important? Important, unimportant, what else needs our attention? Oh, I want to send you, I meant to send you this clip, Joe,

— [109:15.060 --> 109:17.140] of Neo and his girlfriend.

— [109:18.820 --> 109:27.240] Okay. All right. Okay. Shout out to Neo. Neo's still a friend of the show, even though I don't like not 1 of them country songs he putting out. You don't like his country songs? Not 1 of them.

— [109:28.040 --> 109:32.580] Who get 3 girlfriends and say, you know what? I'm going country. I'm going country.

— [109:33.720 --> 109:39.740] I like it though. You don't like that he's doing it? I don't like the song. He can do whatever he wants. It don't sound good.

— [109:40.520 --> 109:41.400] It's not for

— [109:41.940 --> 109:43.880] me. It ain't for me. I'm cool.

— [109:45.000 --> 109:46.740] So, 1 of Neo's girlfriends Do you

— [109:47.160 --> 109:48.220] like Garth Brooks?

— [109:49.040 --> 109:49.540] No.

— [109:51.120 --> 109:54.240] 1 of Neo's girlfriends was on an interview.

— [109:54.760 --> 109:57.760] I think she was live and 1 of the fans sort of asked like how he

— [109:58.680 --> 110:07.720] divides his time amongst them or how they spend time together, and she offered her explanation. Oh, I thought they were over there. I'm the young man and all of you 3 at the same time.

— [110:08.940 --> 110:09.440] Okay.

— [110:11.800 --> 110:13.780] You figured it? Got a big house.

— [110:14.160 --> 110:14.660] So,

— [110:15.000 --> 110:16.340] what he's done recently,

— [110:17.040 --> 110:23.080] he'll just like see how long he's gonna be gone for. Furniture would help. Then he'll just break it up into parts.

— [110:24.900 --> 110:26.600] So yeah, that's what's going on

— [110:27.600 --> 110:28.560] at the moment.

— [110:29.760 --> 110:31.860] He was left with the hard work.

— [110:34.240 --> 110:36.160] Bunch of you left with the hard work guys.

— [110:36.900 --> 110:37.520] Yeah, okay.

— [110:37.890 --> 110:38.390] They

— [110:38.760 --> 110:40.020] knew the hard

— [110:40.900 --> 110:41.400] work.

— [110:42.200 --> 110:50.380] So you have to see through all the messiness of the clip. Yeah, so we split it up. He's like, you get these days, you get these days, you get these days, you get these days, and then you just...

— [110:51.500 --> 110:55.100] Scheduling. It's all about scheduling. Wait for our guys. They got a spreadsheet.

— [110:55.580 --> 110:56.700] It's all about scheduling.

— [110:57.480 --> 111:05.820] I thought if you had 3 girlfriends... This sounds like way more work and less fun than I would have imagined having 3 girlfriends. I thought if you had 3 girlfriends, you would get rugs.

— [111:06.980 --> 111:07.760] You know,

— [111:08.360 --> 111:11.540] you'll get what I didn't even see the video. I can hear there's no,

— [111:13.180 --> 111:15.120] there's not a single rug in that apartment.

— [111:16.240 --> 111:18.660] They definitely bought the furniture up 3 ways. Yeah. Like

— [111:22.920 --> 111:24.280] the 1st through the 14th.

— [111:25.840 --> 111:29.720] I don't, I've never had 3 girlfriends at the same time, like this, but

— [111:30.520 --> 111:35.120] This don't sound fun. This sounds like more work you gotta do. Because everything you do on the 1st...

— [111:35.540 --> 111:42.580] You never had 3 girlfriends at the same time? I said like this, where everybody knows they the girlfriend. Yo, we not asking my brothers, yo. Don't say that no more to me. What you was saying?

— [111:43.140 --> 111:44.400] We not asking my brothers.

— [111:44.740 --> 111:48.420] I have a 3 year after a girl. I watched the show. I heard what he said. I let him live.

— [111:48.820 --> 111:53.840] He's shoving me down. Don't say that no more. I don't need to respond.

— [111:55.440 --> 111:57.440] I'm sorry. I don't need to respond.

— [111:58.380 --> 111:59.540] The thing is he knows.

— [112:00.120 --> 112:04.360] He knows who he is. He just plays dumb. He knows how to be obtuse just like he did with that running shit.

— [112:04.960 --> 112:15.420] He's playing dumb for y'all. Oh, so he know the truth is worse So when he said that how can mark possibly be asked my brother to me you saying that he I don't see it He was fully aware. Are you wouldn't?

— [112:16.700 --> 112:21.260] Eagles a mother just drink your fucking coffee and move on to

— [112:22.780 --> 112:23.360] the show.

— [112:25.000 --> 112:26.160] Let's get back to Neo.

— [112:27.540 --> 112:33.600] Y'all a little, mmm now just sound like y'all ass cheeks whistling when y'all do it together. I didn't

— [112:34.260 --> 112:40.940] say anything. Hey, y'all shouldn't make no noise and go to the gym no more. That was me and Parks. That was them. Now it's you going to text. Now I take it back. Just going,

— [112:41.280 --> 112:42.840] boo, be a bitch. You're such a bitch.

— [112:43.340 --> 112:55.580] Now I take it back. Just going to put me over there. This guy is crazy. 3 girlfriends. Yeah, so what do you make? I mean, you got insight on this. It sounds like a headache. I don't have an insight. I'm married.

— [112:56.280 --> 112:58.940] I don't have 3 girlfriends. No, I meant it's a neo. You're a pop culture person.

— [112:59.980 --> 113:10.540] I mean, I don't think it's that difficult once they all on the same page I don't know the pop culture every time I look y'all gonna distract me whatever you say Why are you so worried about I don't give a fuck that was a distraction is yeah

— [113:10.940 --> 113:16.420] I don't know listen if you're 3 girls on the same page and know what's going on. It shouldn't be that difficult

— [113:17.080 --> 113:21.920] I think it makes things 3 times easier. But you said 3 times harder. What, the schedule?

— [113:22.600 --> 113:28.780] You coming into 1 place? They all know what's up. They all know what's up. They're coming into 1 unfurnished living room. Yeah, we having a hoopla.

— [113:29.240 --> 113:38.080] I thought, in my mind it was just, you got 3 girls, y'all swarming around, y'all fuck all the time, you over here, you over here, you 2 over there. I thought it was some like, you hiding it. They all know.

— [113:39.000 --> 113:39.880] And you Islamic

— [113:40.920 --> 113:41.700] So and

— [113:42.020 --> 113:49.060] your faith you could have up to 4 right? I would never want that. I'm just saying you could. It sounds like a f***ing- Everybody gotta have equal shit.

— [113:49.620 --> 113:56.600] Yeah, that sounds like a- You ain't got enough time to be doing all that. Oh, they just have equal shit? Wait, so you don't even have as many wives as your faithful allow?

— [113:57.260 --> 113:59.280] Don't say nothing to me about this. Come on, brother.

— [113:59.680 --> 114:03.140] You do me a favor? Don't say that again, or I'm gonna get mad. Anyway, y'all-

— [114:03.680 --> 114:08.240] They talk about legal marriage, like when you actually formally commit and marry somebody. I've said I don't want to do that to 2 people.

— [114:10.560 --> 114:12.100] Can't respond? No.

— [114:12.480 --> 114:15.500] OK. So again, drink your coffee. Oh, stop. No.

— [114:20.000 --> 114:21.740] Just to let you know, I ain't fucked.

— [114:23.700 --> 114:43.720] I ain't fucked you. You never do. I ain't fucked you. That was you. I Might have been trying to use Maybe trying to use me to make you feel some type of way but let you know. You didn't know me yet. I ain't hit. But that don't mean I couldn't make you feel. I haven't responded to you yet. That don't mean I couldn't make you feel. I'm telling you, yo, I got your button on my line. You could have, yeah, nigga, you could have felt some type of way, I ain't hit though, don't believe me. No.

— [114:45.060 --> 114:46.980] Back to my coffee. Yeah, thank you.

— [114:47.900 --> 114:48.400] Expeditiously.

— [114:48.860 --> 114:49.360] Hazelnut.

— [114:49.780 --> 114:50.280] Uh-oh.

— [114:52.300 --> 114:52.800] OK,

— [114:53.180 --> 115:05.300] yeah. I think I thought, like, polygamy or polyamory, I always thought it was more, like, freewheeling and fun and wild. This just sounds like you got to manage 3 relationships. No, anything with more than 1 girl is too much now. Yeah, they're knowing it

— [115:06.040 --> 115:10.140] Yeah, but when 1 get on the same page Why you get a double no 1 actually?

— [115:11.080 --> 115:12.980] She get annoyed she'll be a noise

— [115:14.280 --> 115:15.400] Be annoyed especially

— [115:16.160 --> 115:17.300] Be annoying in the beginning

— [115:18.080 --> 115:18.820] She mission

— [115:19.160 --> 115:20.780] okay, not to begin it but

— [115:21.240 --> 115:24.660] Today anybody's a pain that's That's why I'm only gonna do 3

— [115:26.800 --> 115:28.580] Keep swapping 10 times. I got you.

— [115:28.960 --> 115:33.820] Yeah, man. I can't even imagine trying to cheat in the age of unrealistic

— [115:34.160 --> 115:34.660] expectations

— [115:35.440 --> 115:36.160] from chicks.

— [115:37.120 --> 115:44.020] Yeah. What does that even look like? Yeah. True, true. Yo, honestly speaking, I can't even imagine being single with these

— [115:45.460 --> 115:47.860] expectations. Like dog, to be single, like,

— [115:48.320 --> 115:53.460] not everybody's expectation is not the same, so I don't want to say that but yo my nigga a date is

— [115:54.200 --> 115:54.700] 500

— [115:55.120 --> 116:00.980] could potentially be $500 honey you got it who you not to be dating multiples

— [116:01.300 --> 116:02.380] I got 1 date

— [116:04.080 --> 116:05.020] every 2 months

— [116:07.860 --> 116:09.660] crazy, like the expectations are just

— [116:10.160 --> 116:12.700] nuts. Like I don't want, will we stay in the Bahamas?

— [116:13.620 --> 116:14.120] Can

— [116:15.040 --> 116:21.060] You imagine if all 3 of them were mad at you at the same time, which they probably are. That's probably a blessing. Look, I get the f*** out.

— [116:21.600 --> 116:22.100] Peace.

— [116:23.120 --> 116:24.400] That should sound like excitement.

— [116:25.040 --> 116:26.780] All y'all mad, you know, we need some space.

— [116:28.520 --> 116:30.340] This nigga is crazy. You got a problem

— [116:30.880 --> 116:32.740] though. This nigga said, yes, another peace.

— [116:34.140 --> 116:35.360] It's crazy, son.

— [116:36.520 --> 116:41.780] I've slowed down, but I used to try to make my girl mad at least once a month just to get that freedom feeling.

— [116:44.300 --> 116:52.460] How many more days you got? Yo, and you'll say that live on air is crazy. You know that you know, I know I'm just saying I'm like something anybody do no

— [116:53.560 --> 116:54.860] So how y'all get your

— [116:55.160 --> 116:59.280] freedom freedom week or freedom day that mine I feel like I asked you this last part

— [117:00.040 --> 117:05.280] Go downstairs getting honesty from y'all is trust this My wife go out enough to add him for her to go

— [117:08.560 --> 117:14.020] She checks me today she mother go watch some soccer game Haiti for somebody some shit like go ahead my girl

— [117:16.640 --> 117:18.080] My wife works as well

— [117:19.940 --> 117:21.600] Mark wife getting shit off on him.

— [117:21.940 --> 117:30.900] No, hey. He don't care. I'm sorry. That's the part you missing. No, no, no, no, no. Stop. Even if that were true. Every time he bring a story, I was like. But you got to see his reaction to it.

— [117:31.240 --> 117:31.740] Brazil.

— [117:32.240 --> 117:33.560] It's okay. She's going with a

— [117:35.380 --> 117:36.740] personal trainer. She's fine.

— [117:38.480 --> 117:39.580] He's a good guy.

— [117:40.840 --> 117:41.900] My girl tried that.

— [117:43.300 --> 117:46.120] She too. We move in. So they came into the mattress.

— [117:50.660 --> 117:52.800] I got to go to hotel. There you go.

— [117:55.680 --> 117:56.660] You tried it.

— [117:59.100 --> 117:59.920] Put a pallet

— [118:00.780 --> 118:03.760] on the floor. Lay on the dog bed. Lay on the motha

— [118:04.240 --> 118:06.260] f***. Put a little sheet down.

— [118:06.900 --> 118:07.760] Oh, damn.

— [118:10.440 --> 118:12.440] I didn't even know you knew what those shits looked like.

— [118:12.760 --> 118:13.460] That's so stupid.

— [118:14.160 --> 118:17.120] Girl, don't worry about it. I'll see you in the mattress real quick.

— [118:17.860 --> 118:19.120] Oh, I'm talking to you.

— [118:19.780 --> 118:25.760] Oh my god, hotel. I'm making crazy jokes. Imagine your girl checking into a hotel without you.

— [118:26.280 --> 118:28.300] I don't know. I can't imagine it.

— [118:28.780 --> 118:34.740] All of the furniture. You with some crackers. I can't imagine that. I can't imagine. I can't

— [118:35.620 --> 118:36.780] imagine. I

— [118:37.500 --> 118:39.080] can't imagine. This thing is crazy.

— [118:41.180 --> 118:43.200] You girl can't stay in a hotel without you? I can't imagine

— [118:43.900 --> 118:44.400] it.

— [118:45.040 --> 118:46.320] But listen, when it comes

— [118:47.360 --> 118:48.280] to these topics,

— [118:49.460 --> 119:01.920] it's fun that I know that Me flip and ice are crazy and you ish in parks are not that's true Yes, that helps me when we do this on air like this fair. We are no This fair we are no

— [119:14.540 --> 119:15.040] Girl

— [119:23.700 --> 119:27.220] Yeah, mr. Windu will fuckin' survive for years without a home.

— [119:27.620 --> 119:28.400] Oh, shit.

— [119:29.160 --> 119:32.260] So your girl, you can't do a couple nights. So in that instance, right,

— [119:32.560 --> 119:33.280] your girl,

— [119:33.580 --> 119:35.040] y'all move to California.

— [119:35.660 --> 119:41.720] You go there as the man to set up shop 1st. Then she comes, right? So you want your family to come after.

— [119:42.200 --> 119:49.680] Of course. All right, cool. So now they take, the moving people come, they pack all your shit up, They put it in the truck. Where's your girl stay home in house?

— [119:50.140 --> 119:56.780] Where she sleep on the air mattress? Yeah, I have a couple of those there good joint They got this shit down with the pillow top

— [119:57.260 --> 120:00.540] The price of a hotel for the night. Well, and they don't but they got her

— [120:01.000 --> 120:01.960] They got a free They got a

— [120:02.300 --> 120:12.880] fridge in that Range Rover. Oh, shit. Oh, yeah. Where's that seat back? It's a fridge back there. Yeah, he knew it. Yeah, he knew it. He knew it. He knew it. He knew it.

— [120:13.340 --> 120:14.560] Nice and comfy. I'm going to

— [120:15.620 --> 120:16.860] get my ass kicked.

— [120:17.320 --> 120:18.480] What the fuck are y'all talking about?

— [120:19.440 --> 120:20.700] I'm getting fucked up.

— [120:21.280 --> 120:22.860] Somebody segway us into like

— [120:23.260 --> 120:24.000] something safe.

— [120:25.140 --> 120:27.760] This nigga fucking cracking a joke about his wife man. I ain't

— [120:28.140 --> 120:31.140] got to tell the truth. My wife was in New York last week.

— [120:31.460 --> 120:46.120] She's a nice lady. She's a wonderful lady, that's why I trust her. Like if she in New York for the night and she got a meeting the next day, I'm not coming, don't drive all the way back to the crib. Yo, when y'all, I see y'all had issue on this thing. When y'all, invite me, nigga. Please. No, no, no, no, no, no, listen. Y'all,

— [120:46.620 --> 120:57.240] y'all, enough, enough, enough. Enough of the bullshitting now. We playing games. Hey, that was cool. That was fire. I double tapped it. Talking that sh** and knowledge. That's my man. Subs going all the way up. Subscribe.

— [120:58.540 --> 120:59.740] But yo. You and Shadak

— [121:00.760 --> 121:03.280] going to come on? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

— [121:03.760 --> 121:14.020] That's what we've been waiting for. No, no, no, no, me. Invite me up there. Y'all have an open invitation, whenever y'all want your button. No, no, no, invite Joe Button up there to that in this thing together show so I can talk. Oh, you really come on? Yes. What?

— [121:14.340 --> 121:22.040] I'm going to text you. They're going to have a blast. Invite me to come up there. You invited us, you invited us, we check recording Thursday. Oh, to say less. All right. I get to ask questions back like Isch did?

— [121:22.800 --> 121:29.280] Yeah. Oh, okay. You can ask whatever you want. Oh, great. Yo, you better be careful with you. You want a play? It ain't live, nigga.

— [121:29.640 --> 121:32.340] I'm a Joe Biden, nigga. Everything that make me look bad, delete. Nope, nope, nope, nope.

— [121:37.340 --> 121:51.400] That doesn't work. Oh my God, yo. Oh man, that is funny, sir. Yes, you look good up there on Mark's shit, man. He killed it, and by the way, the subs are on the roof. Check out in this thing together on Patreon. Don't take a fucking sip when I compliment you. Niggas say thank you. This nigga is such a door.

— [121:51.980 --> 121:55.180] You look good up there. Thank you sir. You almost made your subscribe.

— [121:55.760 --> 121:56.260] Almost.

— [121:59.380 --> 122:00.420] This guy is cruel.

— [122:02.160 --> 122:02.960] I'ma subscribe.

— [122:03.820 --> 122:13.660] 1 of these days. 1 of these days. 1 of these days. 1 of these days I'm a subscriber. I like when you do that, Ish. I like when you go up there and just show the real you. He killed it, yo. It's really killed it though. Hey, yo, man, let me think about it.

— [122:14.160 --> 122:18.480] And Flip, you're welcome too. Thank you. I appreciate you do couple interviews couple no no I don't

— [122:37.800 --> 122:43.780] Said Naila don't have a single out right now. Stop bringing up Nyla Blackman. That's my sister. Why, as a friend of the show? Of course.

— [122:44.240 --> 122:47.940] I'm always bringing up Nyla Blackman. Not the ants in son of Nyla. And all of our sisters.

— [122:48.840 --> 122:52.100] Shout out to all of our sisters. All of our sisters. Oh, your sisters too? Awesome sisters.

— [122:53.060 --> 122:53.560] Awesome

— [122:54.520 --> 122:55.020] sisters.

— [122:55.440 --> 123:02.500] Nyla has met my wife. Nyla, my wife is a fan. Nyla is amazing. And I appreciate you for allowing me bringing her up here

— [123:02.840 --> 123:03.700] and sharing

— [123:04.760 --> 123:05.820] her with the world.

— [123:07.440 --> 123:08.100] Thank you.

— [123:09.040 --> 123:09.860] All right, Mark

— [123:10.200 --> 123:11.100] segue us to something.

— [123:14.600 --> 123:15.420] Before grenade.

— [123:17.700 --> 123:18.700] We did me.

— [123:21.600 --> 123:23.720] Nancy Guthrie is dead,

— [123:24.440 --> 123:25.620] But it was an accident.

— [123:25.940 --> 123:27.380] But I don't understand why they were still

— [123:28.000 --> 123:36.260] Why did they say this like a long time ago? Did they say this officially? They say I read an article in CBS News which is fairly the mom right that they said that the

— [123:36.600 --> 123:39.380] ransom note and a note came

— [123:39.720 --> 123:43.680] 2 days later from the same IP or whatever was email I think it was

— [123:44.280 --> 123:45.880] from the same IP address

— [123:46.300 --> 123:51.160] and the 2nd note was saying that she passed. We didn't mean for it to happen, but she's gone.

— [123:52.800 --> 123:57.700] And this was obviously. So they had the ransom note? That's correct. So why they ain't say nothing all this time? For months.

— [123:58.500 --> 124:03.460] I don't know. They dragged that. I mean they ain't have proof though. But I don't know, this is why I'm confused.

— [124:03.920 --> 124:04.640] Like why,

— [124:05.680 --> 124:07.180] why? See that's proof to me.

— [124:07.940 --> 124:13.040] Somebody say if the person who got it if the person that was supposed to be in a bedroom

— [124:13.940 --> 124:15.040] is not there

— [124:16.620 --> 124:40.880] and then the person I somebody said yo we took we took out of it. We got up out of there. Yeah. They the ones that sent the ransom note. And we want millions of dollars. Yeah. And we're going to take that serious. And she's no longer with us. And now she's gone. And if I look everywhere, like if I say, if I was a mother, where would a mother be? Like, I searched everywhere. I'm like, she was not there. But she wasn't there. Can't find her. Like, I'ma think there's some credence to these letters, is all I'm saying. And we ain't seen a since.

— [124:41.600 --> 124:55.020] Maybe, maybe, maybe this person know what they talking about. I gotta hear how they accidentally killed Nancy Guthrie. Well, she was very old though. Yeah, I mean it doesn't take much to kill. So yeah, but I want to know what the accident was because they

— [124:56.040 --> 124:56.880] all right. Yo,

— [124:58.280 --> 125:00.340] what he did? Yo, this thing is dark.

— [125:02.320 --> 125:04.180] I'm not repeating that. Let me see.

— [125:05.760 --> 125:06.680] You have to rewind.

— [125:12.060 --> 125:20.600] Rest in peace and dance together if she is in fact gone. Just to be clear, Savannah still wants help finding her mom. Yeah, cause you want her mom to the body. She came on the Today Show today

— [125:21.100 --> 125:24.580] and said, I love you guys and I love this place. This is an unusual and

— [125:25.260 --> 125:32.400] unprecedented, to say the least, to be sitting here. I don't have any comment on the story, the 1 you just mentioned. And I'm not involved in the coverage, but I can't pretend I'm not here.

— [125:32.960 --> 125:49.080] And so since I just want to take the opportunity to ask people to really to beg people to come forward. Somebody knows something, and this is a new story today that's on your radar, but this is the life that my sister lives, that I live, that my brother lives, that our extended families live, that our children live every day, and we are in agony, we cannot be at peace.

— [125:49.500 --> 126:00.260] So she's begging people to come forward, to help her find her mom and to figure out what's going on. I ain't gonna lie, if I was the kidnapper and had the mom in the back room, that speech wouldn't make me go back there and untie her.

— [126:02.240 --> 126:17.260] Or- You said it would or would not? Would not. Oh yeah, it would. Nothing you just read is gonna make me go back to, all right, come on, let me send you back. Well no, if she's gone, rest in peace, I don't want to sound insensitive, but if I'm the kidnapper and she's gone and she just passed from maybe a heart something or something, she's older.

— [126:17.940 --> 126:20.720] And they already have my IP address. I'm not about to risk

— [126:21.060 --> 126:28.940] putting myself out there to return you the body of, you know. Well, the ransom note says, if you give me $4 million, then I'll return the body.

— [126:29.420 --> 126:30.500] Did they pay anything?

— [126:30.860 --> 126:39.200] Not to my knowledge, but I'm not in the kidnappers inner circle That must be a hell of a quagmire if you kidnap somebody they die natural causes on your watch, right?

— [126:39.580 --> 126:45.560] Like you're still gonna get charged for that. That's what I'm saying. You're not just getting charged with kidnapping So now they gotta make some tough decision

— [126:47.160 --> 126:48.100] what do you think ish

— [126:48.680 --> 126:49.960] what you think huh

— [126:50.280 --> 126:51.220] what do you think

— [126:52.120 --> 126:53.660] it's 1 more what do you think

— [126:54.320 --> 127:04.000] thoughts and prayers yeah thoughts and prayers man shout to her that is a painful thing yeah it is for sure yeah I can't even very far if someone stole my mom I don't even know what I would do.

— [127:06.740 --> 127:07.240] Yo,

— [127:07.800 --> 127:09.600] can you fucking stop, bro?

— [127:10.660 --> 127:12.700] You got the chain, nigga, like goddamn.

— [127:13.480 --> 127:25.320] I don't care about the chain. Stop doing that shit, bro. Talk about your family and this shit. Telling your ass for the chain, nigga. Who are you talking about? Stop disrespecting your family. You disrespect your wife. Am I disrespecting my family? Hey, you just met the mama love, man. I would be devastated if somebody

— [127:25.620 --> 127:28.220] kidnapped my mom and told me I had to pay 4000000 dollars.

— [127:28.540 --> 127:29.400] Would you pay it?

— [127:30.780 --> 127:34.580] I don't have 4000000 dollars. What'd you pay? I called Joe if Joe get if Joe fronted

— [127:35.160 --> 127:36.360] Have I met your mom?

— [127:36.780 --> 127:37.280] No

— [127:45.920 --> 127:47.220] He's gotta meet the lady

— [127:53.880 --> 127:55.900] What else what else what else what else

— [127:56.200 --> 128:02.380] so I think that we we couldn't solve the Savannah Guthrie mystery. No, no, we couldn't. No, we tried.

— [128:03.080 --> 128:08.240] But we were able, successfully in the last 48 hours, to solve the Jay-Z hair controversy. Oh, that's true. The internet.

— [128:08.780 --> 128:17.400] And I'm actually happy this happened. So about 2 days ago, I think Beyonce is the 1 who released it, but it's certainly a mini documentary about Jay-Z's hair and the transition from his locks

— [128:17.900 --> 128:19.280] to blowing out the fro.

— [128:19.780 --> 128:26.060] Beyonce is narrating it, she's doing the voiceover, and she's telling the story of how that happened and why. In the documentary,

— [128:26.740 --> 128:32.360] she talks about why Jay-Z initially got the locks. Because of his daughter, right? Right, which was

— [128:32.700 --> 128:33.200] for

— [128:33.540 --> 128:57.620] Blue Ivy, who Wasn't feeling as confident about her hair as they wanted her to and they wanted her to love every aspect of herself So so Jay is a kind of sign of like solidarity and love fire Yeah, he did that with his hair, which I think is dope And then for the transition for the Roots Picnic, they showed the transition and she said she was worried it wouldn't come out, but it did and they showed the whole process. I love it for a couple reasons. 1, I love what he did for his daughter. I think that's a beautiful

— [128:58.160 --> 128:59.280] thing. I also-

— [129:00.340 --> 129:04.460] Love the capitalism of it all. You say? Love the capitalism of it all? Which part?

— [129:06.540 --> 129:07.280] It's a commercial.

— [129:07.580 --> 129:11.800] Oh, I mean, I don't love that part, no. But we live in a world where commercials.

— [129:12.600 --> 129:14.660] It would be selective to say... I like that part.

— [129:15.560 --> 129:27.780] You've always been anti-Jay-Z's capitalism, so I was curious how you felt about this capitalism. I'm anti-all capitalism, but I work on a show that has advertisements. I say prize picks every day. It's not like, you know... Not every day, but... Since I started playing.

— [129:28.140 --> 129:30.760] Since I started making money. Prize picks!

— [129:31.100 --> 129:35.660] I be beating my chest for prize picks. Yeah, because when you 1st came here, you was standing on the hill. That nigga was quiet.

— [129:36.460 --> 129:39.660] That nigga would not say that prize money. Why wasn't getting the prize picks

— [129:40.340 --> 129:43.120] resources either? I wasn't being

— [129:43.440 --> 130:08.760] paid. But once I got that right, you know. Found my voice. But once I paid over that balcony, Yeah, I was good. But you know, I'm anti-capitalist. Yo, Mark, do you imagine how much more money you would make if you just came out and said, yo, a small part of me is down with it all? He is down with it. He's definitely down with it. But you don't say it. No, I do say that. If he says it, I think that nigga money go all the way up. But I'm just not willing to do what it takes for it to go all the way up. There's certain things that I'm not willing to do. Like grow dreads and then

— [130:09.060 --> 130:11.300] get them. See, I don't think Jay did that for capitalism.

— [130:11.960 --> 130:16.600] I don't think he did that for, I think he did it for his daughter. I believe it. I believe that too. I believe it too.

— [130:17.900 --> 130:22.260] I think a lot of shit just tie up for like coincidence. Like, all right, well, since we're going to do this, we can also-

— [130:22.560 --> 130:45.120] There's a profit here. We got to company that. And that's the part that I don't love, but I don't, you know, you can't avoid that. If Warren Buffett saves somebody from burning buildings, I wouldn't like not be like, I wouldn't be like- But then he just happened to buy the block. Yeah, I could, right. Now did he own the building? Right, but the act itself is fine. So I love the beauty of this part of it. I love the story of it. But I also love the fact that the internet makes up shit.

— [130:45.560 --> 130:54.680] They just make shit up. And I love the fact that, because everyone's saying those blocks are real. Shit that we shouldn't even care about I know I really didn't care but it's just it's just a reminder that

— [130:55.440 --> 131:07.620] People make sure yes, and most of the time Jay-Z and Beyonce don't respond to the people make up So people just assume well if you didn't respond, it must be true. So this is just an opportunity to say, you know what? They still responding, making shit up even with this.

— [131:08.400 --> 131:14.120] They saying that's the lace for it he got on. You can't fucking win, man. There's people like, yo, listen, dog,

— [131:14.760 --> 131:24.580] 1st they going by his age, there's not a great strand in sight. Then they were saying, something else I saw, a couple people that have, men that have longer hair, was like, yo, there's no way

— [131:24.940 --> 131:31.580] the hair here is the exact same length as this 1 here, your hair grows differently, all that type of shit, that's the lace for it, Like they're running with it.

— [131:32.620 --> 131:34.060] Some people you just can't,

— [131:34.540 --> 131:42.940] you can't prove it to them. Like they're gonna have their thoughts and no matter what you say or show them, it don't matter. They're gonna believe what

— [131:43.340 --> 131:48.480] they wanna believe and that's it. And it's a lot of them, especially right now, it's kind of a little,

— [131:49.140 --> 131:51.900] I don't know if it's like the tide is turning, but like,

— [131:52.260 --> 131:54.300] Ho was like universally loved.

— [131:54.780 --> 132:06.680] And it seems a lot of that is changing. So people are looking for anything to attack him over now. And they riding with it, and they like, hammering any point they can find. And that's the part I don't actually like because there are legitimate

— [132:07.340 --> 132:09.180] points of criticism that we should have

— [132:10.020 --> 132:11.500] and then there's a bunch of shit

— [132:12.200 --> 132:12.700] like

— [132:13.040 --> 132:24.740] his hair whether it's a wig or not they're stupid and they all get mixed into the same pot. You know, and it's like, it almost cheapens the other critiques, and it takes the weight away from the stuff that we should be saying about people. You know, I don't like that.

— [132:25.600 --> 132:28.200] We saw that with Nikki, right? There are things that are critical

— [132:28.780 --> 132:37.700] of Nikki, and then people are saying mean things about her kids. It's like, well, let's not do that. Like, that's personal, that's mean, that's not okay. We can have principle disagreements with people and it all gets thrown into the pot. I think some of this is generational.

— [132:38.100 --> 132:57.240] Like, now there's not the, we have a reverence for our generation's artists and the next generation be like, fuck them. Yeah, true. And they look it up. I think every generation does that. And that's what happens, because we keep pushing, I mean, a lot of us were like, nah, whoever y'all name it, it don't matter, Jay-Z's the goat. A lot of times they get a little tired of that, and like yo, fuck y'all, fuck your goat. And that's how you end up with nothing but respect for Marvin Gaye.

— [132:58.220 --> 132:58.720] Honestly.

— [132:59.280 --> 132:59.960] That part.

— [133:00.640 --> 133:06.280] Yeah. And Berry Gordy, that's crazy. And Berry Gordy. I'm about to buy some Beyonce shampoo though, man. I'm sold.

— [133:06.600 --> 133:08.320] I don't see if that shit help me. I didn't even watch

— [133:08.700 --> 133:12.880] the end of it. What is the product being sold? No, I'm not being funny. She sells like a bunch of shampoo.

— [133:13.220 --> 133:30.680] Yeah, she got a hair care line. Got it. And that's what they're saying he used to do. Yes, of course. To help his hair grow. Yep. I didn't watch it today, and I ain't gonna lie. I just saw, I wasn't hurt to shit up blue. I was like, my heart was tugged and I was done. We got you all. Yeah, they got me. They showed him taking the locks out and all that. I saw some of the combing up, but I didn't, okay. We got it, y'all.

— [133:31.340 --> 133:33.840] We got it on Jay-Z's hair. Thank you.

— [133:35.260 --> 133:36.260] What you got, Joe?

— [133:36.660 --> 133:40.320] Oh, a whole's hair. Now, this really should have went in hour 1,

— [133:41.440 --> 133:42.360] but I waited.

— [133:43.480 --> 133:45.120] When I tell you, dog,

— [133:46.700 --> 133:48.140] that's the sheepstealer

— [133:48.460 --> 133:48.960] did.

— [133:51.000 --> 133:51.860] I hate you.

— [133:52.520 --> 133:54.800] Let me find out you're a throny now dog.

— [133:55.120 --> 133:55.620] Oh

— [133:55.940 --> 133:57.080] the sheep stealer

— [133:58.540 --> 133:59.780] He ain't come to play

— [134:00.980 --> 134:04.580] Whatever he wanted. Yeah, he ain't come to play it all video. Listen,

— [134:05.460 --> 134:07.120] I gotta pull it up now. Listen

— [134:08.260 --> 134:12.540] This might be the meanest dragon that we've ever seen on House of Dragons. No, he's a little special I think.

— [134:13.520 --> 134:14.180] And Rainer?

— [134:15.180 --> 134:16.080] He got the underbite.

— [134:17.100 --> 134:18.300] But the way Rainer...

— [134:18.960 --> 134:19.460] Alright

— [134:22.160 --> 134:22.660] man.

— [134:23.140 --> 134:26.440] I'm serious. You all ain't see it? No, Eddie. I do.

— [134:26.760 --> 134:34.840] If you all ain't all right, I won't spoil it for people, but... That shit came on the same time Love Island was on. Season 3 of House of Dragons... It's out.

— [134:35.840 --> 134:51.500] It's out. Not only is it out, but many people are saying that that was 1 of the greatest house of dragons episodes that they had ever seen it probably is the best actually yeah they said that dragons has it hasn't been good so yeah so I know yeah but I saw people saying that season, that 1st episode

— [134:51.860 --> 134:53.820] could have been the season finale

— [134:55.160 --> 134:59.040] of the main shit and everybody would have been happy. If it was the same quality.

— [134:59.460 --> 135:06.120] That's possible. They did a lot. They did a lot. I see it. They did a lot. Yeah, I see it. You got to see it when Sleep Stealer come up. Sheep.

— [135:06.540 --> 135:22.460] I mean sheep. Sheep Stealer. Sheep Stealer. Seriously. You didn't watch it. Are you a Throne? He's a feral dragon. I did watch it. You can't tell me what I watched. Reign in the Feral Dragon. Yes. He ain't watched that shit, bro. I'm telling you I watched it. You might not believe me. I watched it. All right, but you don't know what's going on. So?

— [135:22.820 --> 135:24.360] Just a little recap at the beginning.

— [135:24.680 --> 135:25.180] Catch

— [135:26.940 --> 135:36.700] up. I watched all 2 seasons before this and I still don't know what's going on. I gotta watch the recap. You gotta watch recaps now because I look at the family trees and our year or 2 between seasons you forget What the fuck?

— [135:38.200 --> 135:43.860] You gotta have a love to read anything I watch I gotta have a reason his mom that he's kissing if fuck it is his mom He's kissing

— [135:44.300 --> 135:45.180] this is weird

— [135:46.140 --> 135:50.900] God damn it back to the incident more than a week past. I forgot whatever was on the last episode

— [135:51.600 --> 135:52.900] So you watch too much

— [135:53.260 --> 135:55.060] especially with Game of Thrones? That's just

— [135:56.160 --> 135:57.420] Damn near a different language

— [135:58.680 --> 136:02.940] I'm gonna go back and watch the f***ing air from subway dock just because the 1 for 2023.

— [136:03.760 --> 136:04.360] I am

— [136:05.960 --> 136:07.080] That's it just cause

— [136:07.400 --> 136:09.160] I hear you bro 3 episodes

— [136:10.460 --> 136:11.240] He's home

— [136:11.600 --> 136:13.480] you better not be home we pulling up

— [136:14.240 --> 136:17.620] He's gonna get him off the streets if you don't get him off get him out

— [136:17.960 --> 136:18.660] of here.

— [136:19.280 --> 136:21.300] What else what else what else we ran through me?

— [136:21.900 --> 136:26.940] Fulios killers all sentenced I happen to see the video of the young man

— [136:27.560 --> 136:28.980] pleading with the judge

— [136:29.800 --> 136:36.040] saying that he thinks his life sentence was too harsh considering he had the same role in the crime

— [136:36.420 --> 136:37.360] as the as

— [136:37.900 --> 136:46.700] he did that bug man he did call her his girlfriend his girl and then the judge was like well I don't know if this is your current if this is your former

— [136:47.360 --> 136:51.040] but apparently she got 15 years she got 15 for manslaughter

— [136:51.800 --> 137:02.020] he he gets life but he was tried with the whole crew. The 4 of them were trying to get him. And that was part of what he was saying to the judge. Listen, I feel like injustice has been done for the same exact role. I got a way harsher

— [137:02.800 --> 137:05.320] penalty, and I feel like I'm being penalized

— [137:06.000 --> 137:08.040] because my group, I was

— [137:09.680 --> 137:16.320] on trial with my group. They did a lot of bullshits, they got life, so I feel like I get life. And I feel like the destination

— [137:17.720 --> 137:21.080] played a part because we were here and she was wherever she was.

— [137:21.600 --> 137:28.220] But he laid out a case that sounded strong until the judge started talking like, yo dog, I'm going to give a fuck what you said. None of it.

— [137:29.240 --> 137:29.840] You're done.

— [137:30.640 --> 137:50.880] They said from the rip that they was they they play that shit like again They traveled up there to Tampa to do that and even the police department They was like, yo, we are they took that super serious was like, you know, we're not having that up here Like we gonna make examples out of everybody. Don't bring that up here. Whatever y'all got going keep it down there Yeah, you know that whole kill each other

— [137:52.420 --> 137:53.740] Coming up here with that shit

— [137:54.120 --> 137:54.620] they

— [137:54.960 --> 137:56.100] They tried to make examples

— [137:56.680 --> 138:13.940] out of all of them. I heard the sincerity in his voice though when he started appealing to the people from the hood. He's like, yo, bro. Yeah, this shit ain't worth it. This shit ain't worth it. He's like, yo, we killing each other. We doing this stuff. We doing that stuff. Only person that's gonna support you is your mother. And maybe a friend. He was like, yo, it's just not worth it.

— [138:14.920 --> 138:15.560] So I

— [138:15.900 --> 138:16.400] saw,

— [138:17.940 --> 138:26.660] I only saw 3 of them. 1 of them seemed like he ain't give a fuck. But the light skinned kid that had the turtleneck on and homeboy just now, honestly,

— [138:27.340 --> 138:28.440] they seem

— [138:29.400 --> 138:47.240] like they was decent kids. Like decent, you know what I'm saying? And we just be getting caught up in this street shit and what we think is cool and what the neighborhood is saying and what these rap songs are saying and it's making these little mons, go do dumb shit. These kids sound like decent kids if you took them out of whatever they was going on.

— [138:47.840 --> 138:53.300] Even though they... Yeah, that's where he's losing it. They're decent kids until the murder. They're not decent kids.

— [138:54.220 --> 138:57.340] He's trying to say that they grew up in a yeah, but it's easy like

— [138:58.900 --> 139:02.240] Opportunities and others easier said it is what I think he's easy

— [139:08.260 --> 139:10.180] What I'm trying to say is

— [139:10.920 --> 139:12.560] I could see a world where

— [139:13.620 --> 139:18.920] a good kid following behind somebody, gets in the car with them and go do some bull with them,

— [139:19.740 --> 139:21.960] that might not be of his normal character,

— [139:22.340 --> 139:26.100] and now you gotta deal with the consequences of that. 1 of the dudes there,

— [139:26.980 --> 139:28.060] I think that was,

— [139:29.340 --> 139:30.340] I think Fulio,

— [139:31.000 --> 139:39.300] I could be wrong here, has something to do with his cousin being killed or something. 1 of them niggas there was on time and he showed no remorse, he knew what it was.

— [139:39.660 --> 139:44.020] He just waiting to go, yo, send me up. Like yeah, I did it. Like the whole trial.

— [139:44.680 --> 139:51.540] And You could see a person like that maybe recruiting some people to, yo, come on, come slide with me. And they might have just been,

— [139:52.520 --> 139:54.260] I don't know these, just

— [139:54.960 --> 140:12.880] seeing the lack of remorse and then seeing these like, oh shit, I made a mistake where 1, Nah, this wasn't a mistake. I knew what I came to do. I knew what came with it. Sign me up. It is what it is. Him I'm not talking about. I saw that he feels vindicated in his mind. He did exactly what he meant to go out there and do.

— [140:13.440 --> 140:31.260] So I'm not really talking about him. But you can get people that might not understand the gravity of all that. Yo, come on, we get ready to go do this. Come with me, whatever. Or you trying to get down? Bet you want to get down, come do this. And they might not have been built for that. I understand that. That's all I'm saying. I'm just not calling that kid a good kid once he makes that decision. Agreed. You're not a good kid.

— [140:32.540 --> 140:34.300] Your man talks you into

— [140:35.020 --> 140:39.500] not only getting in the car to go kill this little young man on the night of his birthday,

— [140:39.880 --> 140:40.380] but

— [140:41.220 --> 140:42.700] if we taking all details

— [140:43.160 --> 140:43.920] into account,

— [140:44.520 --> 140:48.300] y'all stalk the kid for ages. Yeah, yeah, they do.

— [140:49.040 --> 140:52.940] I'm good. Good is just not the adjective that comes to mind

— [140:53.300 --> 140:59.120] with this type of story. You could be right. No matter how homeboy voice sound, I'm watching this shit and all I could look at was his arms.

— [140:59.460 --> 141:00.740] All I could look at was his arms.

— [141:01.060 --> 141:10.820] So no matter how his voice sounded, I'm looking at his arms. And I'm like, yeah, this is the kid that got to go grab a gun or somebody do something to him. He ain't gonna look like he got nothing near fighting him. Nothing.

— [141:11.360 --> 141:15.840] That's how you look. That's what my mind went. I think what Freeze is talking about is the kid that

— [141:16.640 --> 141:36.340] you just ride with your cousin and you just happen to do something. Or not, I think that we just place it. Okay, but that's not what happened here. Okay, but I. You wasn't just riding and unbeknownst to you, and then you pulled out and just started killing somebody. That's not this case. Sure, I'm only. I'm only talking about this specific case. I'm not going to these kids, good kids, these niggas is fucking terrorists. I think that, I think,

— [141:36.900 --> 141:38.920] not a bad point. I just think that

— [141:39.640 --> 141:42.180] we minimalize these issues in these communities

— [141:42.900 --> 141:43.400] so

— [141:43.720 --> 141:44.220] easily

— [141:44.840 --> 142:23.840] that until that shit really hits you, like, yo, I just killed somebody and I'm looking at life in prison. I'm never gonna see my family I'm never gonna see my friends I'm never gonna see all that shit this shit that we took with a grain of salt really ain't to be taken with a grain of salt It's some real real real consequences behind that Till you see somebody's family crying in the courtroom that you did something to their kid that hits differently And again when you listen to these rap songs and you seeing all of this shit It don't really really really paint a real picture It was going on in our environments and some of these kids could be little corny as schoolboy kids that just involved in the neighborhood shit, and unfortunately, the neighborhood shit be beating niggas up and shooting niggas.

— [142:24.400 --> 142:25.700] Then you're not a good kid.

— [142:26.500 --> 142:28.400] All right, cool. Then you're not a good kid.

— [142:29.080 --> 142:32.760] Cool. You can be a good kid and change overnight.

— [142:33.360 --> 142:37.760] Wait, what'd you say? You can be a good kid and change overnight. Wait, what'd you say? You can be a good kid and change overnight. That happens.

— [142:38.260 --> 142:45.120] You can have good grades, you can have, you can live your life being respectful to your parents and you can get picked on and then change overnight.

— [142:45.500 --> 142:59.120] That doesn't take away the fact that you was a good kid. Or was his past tense. The 2nd the change occurs, you're not a good kid. I see what you're not a good kid. Maybe that's the question. Maybe I'm not. I'm not. I said murder. I'm trying to agree with you. Somebody that's not getting out of the picture.

— [143:00.640 --> 143:02.580] Somebody that's not murdering people,

— [143:03.000 --> 143:11.020] down with the murder for hire, putting money on somebody's head to be murdered. Stalking someone to be murdered. Or prepared to murder. Yeah, and then,

— [143:11.380 --> 143:13.060] sorry, I understand.

— [143:13.740 --> 143:17.540] There's other, to your point, there's other adjectives. There's probably better adjectives. Misguided.

— [143:18.800 --> 143:20.260] Loss. Sad, unfortunate situation.

— [143:21.600 --> 143:32.520] There's a lot of things that you could say, but good kid, I have no idea. You're not a good kid. You're not a good kid. It doesn't sound like you made me. That's all I'm saying. Because I'm saying you could have been a good kid and then have gotten. That was me. I was a good kid in Jersey

— [143:32.960 --> 143:52.400] 20 to billion years ago and whenever the crowd went over here and we was trying to be blocked versus blah Alright, I'll run over here. We'll eat this kid up. Are you punching him in the face? No reason I will jump on him. Guess what once those things start happening. I ain't a good kid. Yeah, I'm not a good kid I don't give a fuck my mom's friends thought about me. I'm in the streets as a menace.

— [143:53.020 --> 143:54.820] I think that's a challenge sometimes, is that

— [143:55.240 --> 144:03.460] as parents or as adults, elders, who know you, we remember the best part to you and we see the best part to you. A lot of people have no idea who their kids are when they walk outside that house.

— [144:04.020 --> 144:16.100] You know, you still think, oh, that's my baby. And sometimes the babies, like what Sam Jackson said, and what was it, I know a lot of kids. I know a lot of kids since they was killers. Yeah, yeah, killers since they was kids. Exactly, like sometimes you gotta remember that too.

— [144:17.400 --> 144:20.280] Real quick, and I do want to get off the subject.

— [144:20.660 --> 144:21.980] I'm familiar with the situation

— [144:22.660 --> 144:24.800] with a kid who was good

— [144:25.200 --> 144:27.540] and his brother got killed. I mean,

— [144:29.120 --> 144:29.620] he

— [144:30.640 --> 144:31.860] overnight changed

— [144:32.360 --> 144:33.880] and he vowed to get vengeance

— [144:35.220 --> 144:39.840] to the person that killed his brother. Then after that, he just kept on going and going and going.

— [144:40.240 --> 144:42.080] That was the trigger point for him.

— [144:43.400 --> 144:49.780] You listen to Vaughn's music, That's kind of what he said. He saw his best friend get killed in front of him He said that turned me in that moment.

— [144:50.200 --> 144:52.500] I snapped from that turn me into some

— [144:53.260 --> 144:57.900] Not now King Vaughn's name is made is no I'm just talking about people that speak on this shit

— [144:59.620 --> 145:02.480] Talk about the foot you came from you're like people

— [145:05.880 --> 145:16.160] Yeah, that's all I'm saying you don't know what we say you know exactly what we're saying Vaughn wasn't a good kid We we don't know anything about him and We know enough to say he wasn't ever a good kid. You can't say never.

— [145:16.640 --> 145:25.460] That's the point. You don't know him prior to that. You're born bad. You don't know that. He saw his friend die and then Adim was born then he killed 39 niggas. Got it.

— [145:26.600 --> 145:35.460] Got it. Listen, I'm unconditioned myself in some of this stupid hip hop shit. Y'all wanna carry on? I'm not even talking about hip hop shit. King Von was a good kid. I never said King Von was a good kid. Safe to assume.

— [145:36.240 --> 145:53.780] You're putting words in people's mouths. Nobody said that. We're just saying, I'm speaking to him specifically saying something he saw changed him. Same thing Flip was saying that where the dude's brother got killed and in that moment it changed him, and then he became something else. I'm saying to you, I think King Von, in that story, it's full of shit.

— [145:55.660 --> 146:06.980] All right. King Von is full of absolute shit. May he rest in peace. 1 of the great, great artists. So do you think he was a bad kid from the board. I saw something happen and then the demon was born. No, you was doing bad and seeing something bad happen.

— [146:07.740 --> 146:17.980] You wasn't just where you were supposed to be, just straight A student and then you seen something bad happen. There's plenty of people that have something tragic. That didn't happen to him. There's plenty of people that Go through something tragic and don't go out murder a bunch of people

— [146:24.000 --> 146:37.180] Because how because everybody because you wouldn't say that if it was a different trigger like some people trigger and they Go left Some people get triggered and go right. You can't necessarily say that because they pick left that

— [146:37.600 --> 146:44.280] if left is murdering a bunch of people, yeah, you can just, I'm saying for whatever it is. I hear what he's saying. For whatever it is. He's saying that

— [146:45.040 --> 147:17.660] The fact that some people have awful things happen and don't turn out bad doesn't disprove the idea that the thing bad that happened made some people go the other way. Just like some people get abused and become super abusive or some people run alcoholic and they become drug addicts. And some never touch it. 1 doesn't disprove the other. Different people have different reactions to the same shit. I also think there's situations where actual good kids get caught in situations that They might not have even been in the car with the murderer knowing the murder happened I've known people that grew up with them through this those are good kids They got caught in a bad situation got their life. Let's save the good kid

— [147:18.880 --> 147:21.160] tag for those people. Okay, that's where

— [147:22.360 --> 147:30.460] we wasn't calling them good kids. I didn't call Vaughn a good kid. He didn't call dude a good kid. You just say that something happened and that put them on a different path.

— [147:31.280 --> 147:34.240] I never said he was a good kid. I don't know that nigga's childhood.

— [147:34.740 --> 147:35.740] Different path

— [147:36.160 --> 147:36.660] implies

— [147:37.120 --> 147:44.020] that before you went the different path, something different was happening. It might not have been that path though,

— [147:44.580 --> 147:55.020] bro. We can't say that. It might not have been, I'm going out to murder a bunch of m... I might not have been the best. I could have been a gang member. I could have just been doing shit for my... I could have been selling drugs.

— [147:55.420 --> 148:01.740] I'm saying... Don't necessarily mean I'm out here killing a bunch of... Until I saw somebody that I love got murdered right in front of me and now I'm

— [148:02.120 --> 148:02.620] cold-blooded.

— [148:02.960 --> 148:25.140] Now I gotta go get back for him and now that shit woke something else up in me and now I'm out here laying motherfuckers down. Now it's just a circle effect where because I did something to this person, they coming back. They coming at me. So now it's just a literal thing that happened like that and the 1 thing that sparked it all could I'm not saying it did it could have been Him seeing somebody get murdered in front of him that he loved it's a possibility

— [148:27.160 --> 148:30.040] Everything in the world is a possibility. It's the only part I'm not getting

— [148:30.540 --> 148:35.260] Because I I hear you that everybody wasn't an angel before they became this other thing.

— [148:36.900 --> 148:40.940] Are you then saying that some people are just born bad? Yeah, you are who you are.

— [148:41.480 --> 148:46.400] Did some kids just, because they were never a good kid. I don't know if I'm saying that. Well, because the thing is,

— [148:47.020 --> 148:50.340] if they were never a good kid that means they were always not a good kid

— [148:52.720 --> 148:54.860] Some people that are born bad by the way

— [148:55.600 --> 148:59.400] Have been raised in perfectly normal non-traumatic situations that are

— [148:59.920 --> 149:13.800] Murderers and monsters like I think that does exist. That's why I'm asking, I'm trying to get a sense of how y'all see this. I don't have a dog in the fight, I was just curious to know because if you didn't become a, if you weren't a good kid and became a bad kid at some point, then you had to always be a bad kid, right? I think there's something in you,

— [149:14.380 --> 149:16.080] before you even get here,

— [149:16.460 --> 149:19.760] that will determine how you respond to certain stimulus.

— [149:20.180 --> 149:23.040] So depending on the type of person that you are,

— [149:23.940 --> 149:26.060] it could affect you positively or negatively.

— [149:26.480 --> 149:33.280] That same trauma could happen to 2 people, but depending on who they are inside, their reactions to that are totally different.

— [149:34.700 --> 149:42.140] I agree with that. Some people just are not the most empathetic people. And when the world sees what your reaction is

— [149:42.720 --> 149:43.720] to some things,

— [149:44.560 --> 149:49.180] then you may not be a good kid anymore. That's true, but true anymore.

— [149:51.580 --> 150:14.540] So y'all just disagree about winning where the- No, that was John Ice. I disagree about everything. I don't mean you about the good kids. I disagree about every single thing that these people have said on this topic. I don't think King Von was a good kid. I don't think that. Joe, nobody said that. Nobody said good kids. You're implying it though when you say he saw someone die and that's when the demon. I wasn't a murderer. Don't mean I was a good kid. High school kid in listen to service goes to Vietnam.

— [150:15.060 --> 150:16.660] Kills a whole bunch of people in Vietnam.

— [150:17.000 --> 150:19.980] Now he comes back totally changed than he was before he went to Vietnam.

— [150:20.340 --> 150:21.880] He was a murderer his whole life?

— [150:22.440 --> 150:29.120] Or did something trigger him, some stimulus that he saw and that he witnessed and that he lived through changed him forever? Good 1.

— [150:29.480 --> 150:34.300] That is a good 1. I don't have a retort. I do think that if you sign up to go to war

— [150:34.840 --> 150:41.980] You're some level okay with murdering people at some point in your life. What if he got drafted about say Vietnam? That's a conversation. Yeah, that's a different conversation

— [150:42.840 --> 150:44.120] When he comes back

— [150:44.580 --> 150:46.720] and the draft changes him

— [150:47.540 --> 150:53.860] nobody should say he's a good person. That's it, that's all I got. That's all I got, that's all I got.

— [150:55.760 --> 150:57.100] We did it, we

— [150:57.960 --> 150:59.280] did it. Who else is good?

— [150:59.680 --> 151:00.180] Me,

— [151:00.640 --> 151:03.160] the Charles Manson. Yo, I gotta

— [151:04.510 --> 151:05.010] hear

— [151:06.360 --> 151:07.240] your list, man.

— [151:08.060 --> 151:11.260] We'll paint some shit that nobody said. The list of good people.

— [151:13.780 --> 151:16.300] The Long Island Murders. God damn.

— [151:16.760 --> 151:18.400] He was good when he was 4.

— [151:18.840 --> 151:29.560] That's what they say though. When the parents do the documentary, when they do the voiceovers, they say how great they were as a kid. I never believed a pan when they come on in with these lies. Yo, niggas came in here and had an argument for freeing those brothers from California.

— [151:30.100 --> 151:31.740] Melendez. Who the Melendez brothers?

— [151:32.660 --> 151:33.160] Yeah.

— [151:33.500 --> 151:42.320] Most of the cast up here, I can't remember specifically who said it, was like, yeah, I think there's a world where they got traumatized by their parents and they should be free.

— [151:42.900 --> 151:47.060] A lot of people up here said I can't. I think I did say that. Well, I think they should be free. They also

— [151:47.620 --> 151:49.180] have served 30 or 40 years.

— [151:49.500 --> 151:56.500] Yeah, I think they should be free because they've been there 30 years. They did it. It's like this old jazz thing around that time. Yeah, they were 4.

— [151:56.880 --> 151:57.380] Okay.

— [151:58.680 --> 152:02.700] That ain't saying I think they're good people. I just think they should come out.

— [152:05.800 --> 152:11.540] Man. We're doing a hell of a job. You don't feel like there's any gangsters out here or killers out here that would,

— [152:12.260 --> 152:14.020] that's good people? Yes.

— [152:14.800 --> 152:26.020] Yes. That's a new question. Yes, I do. So once they kill somebody, they no longer a good person, per your logic. We know some good. I think there are situations in which you can kill someone and still be a good person.

— [152:27.000 --> 152:29.780] We know they good. We're going to move this shit all around the world.

— [152:30.620 --> 152:37.760] I think people can kill somebody and still be a good person in the context of the conversation we are having I don't think that

— [152:38.140 --> 152:40.140] About the stalking part. He's talking about

— [152:40.660 --> 152:48.880] Dedicating your time to kill this person. I get what he's saying intentionally murdering someone and King Bond throw him in whatever gumbo you make make it

— [152:49.760 --> 152:51.900] Keep I don't know why free booking

— [152:53.200 --> 153:10.380] No, I know I'm not trying to you know, he's serious. I'm not trying to throw him I promise you I'm not trying to throw ice right now Well, you are because I never said King Bon was a good kid I never implied a good every time I say throw King Von in the gumbo, I'm not just talking to you. Well, you keep throwing. It's just funny now. What you mean you're trolling?

— [153:11.280 --> 153:12.960] Not you. Got it, Joe.

— [153:14.240 --> 153:19.000] You're cool, cool, yo. This nigga's nuts. So, Ayes, what makes King Von such a person? I'm a good kid. Look, look what they call

— [153:19.320 --> 153:23.700] real good kid. Cuckoo. I'm out of this shit. I'm out of this shit. That's funny.

— [153:24.500 --> 153:36.780] That's funny. Real good kid is cuckoo. All right, let's see, what else, what else, what else? Floyd is popped, we knew he was popped. Fulio, y'all get life. That was a stupid murder plan. Well, and that's just the point of this pop, Joe, is that he caught

— [153:38.800 --> 153:40.600] some felony charges now.

— [153:41.380 --> 154:06.300] Or 1 felony charge, or 1 felony case, and then there's another issue, right? 1 is that They're saying he took money for the Mike Tyson fight and the Pacquiao fight and the Pacquiao fight and kind of Didn't give it back and it kind of bounced then there's the bad check Allegation over $20,000 bad check that's for the watch right for the watch Yeah, where am I where he wrote a check for watch then wasn't good check My man asked for the watch back, didn't give it back. It's been over a year, my man finally said, yo, I gotta do something about this.

— [154:08.800 --> 154:12.880] 1, I thought you were wrong on this initially. You thought he wasn't pop?

— [154:13.620 --> 154:20.100] I underestimated the extent to it. I thought, you know sometimes people aren't liquid. Right. He's starting to make moves that aren't just like I'm not liquid.

— [154:20.400 --> 154:21.140] It's like

— [154:22.000 --> 154:22.500] popped

— [154:22.840 --> 154:23.660] he's please

— [154:24.440 --> 154:26.540] He sees so in his his own

— [154:26.980 --> 154:38.020] People's for him. It's he what was it 300 million or something a lot It's a lot of money that he said, yo, was taken without me knowing. So if I think I got certain bread and it ain't there, and I found out y'all got it,

— [154:38.560 --> 154:39.900] and I got expensive lifestyle,

— [154:40.260 --> 154:41.300] I might be really

— [154:41.740 --> 154:48.580] fucked now. Is it hard to have sympathy for Floyd? For me, it is. No, no, it's not hard. It's not for me. It's not hard. It's not for me. I struggle.

— [154:50.140 --> 154:52.840] I'm not saying it's fair. I'm just saying when I watch his,

— [154:53.340 --> 154:54.640] watching how he's lived

— [154:55.160 --> 154:57.100] over the last 20, the flamboyance,

— [154:57.980 --> 155:31.660] the money, it's just harder. When I watch people, I watch people get robbed for their money, right? There's a way that he moves with money that makes it harder for me to feel sympathetic. And I'm not saying it's fair, I'm just saying. That's not fair at all. I'm stipulating, I'm not saying this is fair. But you're saying how you personally feel about that. Yeah, Yeah, it's like when I watch something like fucking poor people and then they get they lose their money I don't have as much sympathy, you know, I mean, it's just harder for me, you know, I still think it's unfortunate I feel bad. I also don't know that he got robbed I hope I hope it's true that he didn't just mismanage the money that you know There's some recourse so he can get his money back. But even if he did

— [155:32.400 --> 155:41.960] Do you know Floyd ever said that's what I was you know, you took the words out of my mouth. Just because I live a flamboyant lifestyle, I don't mean I'm necessarily saying, put my middle finger up to people that are poor.

— [155:42.540 --> 155:43.540] Actually, I might

— [155:44.280 --> 156:00.560] have seen the exact opposite. I meant Floyd, when he's in giving mode, That nigga would go in his pocket and give niggas 10,000, 5,000 like a stuffin'. Yeah, he gave a lot to a lot of people. Changed a lot of lives. I don't mean he literally said fuck you poor people. I'm saying when you walk around like. Through actions. I don't see how y'all could go on vacation with less than 12 watches. I

— [156:00.920 --> 156:06.280] don't see that kind of shit. That was no part of a character no more. Yeah, and I'm saying that character for me doesn't incur sympathy.

— [156:06.700 --> 156:07.200] Okay.

— [156:07.620 --> 156:11.400] So let me. I'm just saying for me. I think we lose track sometimes.

— [156:12.200 --> 156:23.560] I think that- Floyd was a good kid, man. Yeah, it's levels to a bunch of shit, right? It's levels to a bunch of shit, right? It's levels to a bunch of shit. So, and this is where we get caught up in our billionaire conversation or our ultra rich conversation.

— [156:23.940 --> 156:34.300] That's like somebody saying, yo, I have empathy for Mark if he hits a bad patch because Mark got 300 pairs of sneakers and that's obsessive and he don't need 300 pairs of sneakers. I think that would be reasonable.

— [156:35.400 --> 156:36.540] But again, I'm, but again, but

— [156:37.480 --> 156:46.300] again, but here's the thing is I'm not, I'm not saying I don't have sympathy because he has a lot of stuff. I'm saying it's the flaunting of it that makes me less sympathetic.

— [156:46.620 --> 157:03.120] If I walked over, came on TV every day and said, y'all wearing the same pair of sneakers twice, y'all, and then 1 day all my sneakers got stolen, I wouldn't expect you to have sympathy for me, even if. But that's part of my, it's wrong, it's somebody stole my sneakers. That's part of my job to actually be this person. Yes, you're just explaining why he doesn't. I'm just saying,

— [157:04.440 --> 157:05.780] it makes me less sympathetic.

— [157:06.280 --> 157:12.780] And a lot of people are like that too. Let me ask you a question though, Mark. Real quick, who's the guy that said it was good for Muhammad Ali,

— [157:13.440 --> 157:15.500] the guy that Muhammad Ali made jokes about?

— [157:17.080 --> 157:30.500] Frazier. Frazier. Do you agree that Frazier said that he made all those jokes about me and then look who can't talk or whatever? Do you agree with that? No matter what Muhammad Ali did for the people, no matter what he stood for, no matter where he was at, still for black people, he was out there on the front lines.

— [157:30.900 --> 157:50.340] Joe Frasier ended up saying that about him. Oh, he said I was the all word. Now look who is that? Look who can't speak. Yeah, do you agree with Joe Frazier? I mean, he got the right to say it. What I would say- He does have a right to say it. I agree with that sentence. What I would say is, to Joe Frazier, is like, I don't agree that you deserve it, and I think it's wrong that it happened to you, but I can understand how Joe Frazier,

— [157:50.920 --> 158:00.500] who was on the business end of those jokes, wouldn't have as much sympathy for Muhammad Ali as somebody else, as he would for George Foreman. It's the same thing I'd be saying about how certain people look at Wendy Williams.

— [158:01.100 --> 158:34.560] Perfect example. Like, Do we think what's happening to her is a good thing? No, but there are a lot of people That's like because of the way she built her brand if when you wave drew in your life I don't have as much sympathy for her as they should because Floyd that people with bad hearts get brought up so much in these type of conversations. Yo, listen to this, not just that, Floyd not out here just ridiculing people and making their life live in hell because I'm rejoicing in the things that my craft has afforded me. Yeah, see, I think a lot of people are taking that. That's not a good parallel. Wendy Williams was doing mean shit to people and saying mean shit to people. Cool. Floyd Mayweather's out here saying, yo, I'm rich, look.

— [158:35.940 --> 159:02.360] Yeah, but here's the thing, I'm not saying that, the parallel isn't that they both did something unethical, it's that 1 has a consequence to the other. So for me, if Floyd is flaunting money and showing ridiculous spending, and then you broke after showing ridiculous spending. I don't feel happy for it. I don't, I don't. I didn't say I feel happy. I don't feel less, I don't, I don't, I still have empathy for him. And that's great. But what I'm saying is I have less, I find myself having less empathy for someone who has shown what I perceive to be reckless spending and flaunting

— [159:02.840 --> 159:12.640] than someone who didn't. You know? I get that. I just do, you know? And I'm okay with that. You know, again, now if I find out that he was robbed, that's different.

— [159:13.160 --> 159:18.820] I have, I don't want, no athlete should deserve to get robbed, and boxers seem to get robbed a lot. But his story is that he was robbed.

— [159:19.180 --> 159:36.600] And I said, if it is true, then I want him to get justice for that. I want, in fact, I remember I started with. So shouldn't you be reserved? It sound like he don't believe that he was robbed. I just said I hope that he, that is the case so that he can have recourse and get his money back. Regardless of how he spends it, it's his money. But what I'm saying is that in general,

— [159:37.240 --> 159:40.020] it's harder for me to muster sympathy for someone who

— [159:40.440 --> 159:43.780] has shown reckless spending than it is for someone who has

— [159:44.240 --> 159:48.180] not. It's hard for me to Show sympathy when somebody's committed some type of heinous crime

— [159:48.760 --> 159:49.260] but

— [159:50.120 --> 159:52.260] Dragon Eddie got a ton of money

— [159:53.080 --> 160:05.140] No, I'm not I'm not holding that against neither of I did that's your misrepresent my point I mean my issue my issue is But you all in it against them mark that he beat the odds and came from the bottom

— [160:05.920 --> 160:19.780] No, I'm holding up that if you buy 17 if you bought 12 watches if you say I have to wear a different watch every Day, I have 75 cars. Yes, if if you are that person goes back Yeah, it's not broke from being robbed. Let me because we're mixing 2 different things Oh from okay

— [160:20.120 --> 161:09.160] If you throw your money if you burn your money in the trash can and somebody steals it, I have sympathy for you having been robbed, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that if you are broke because you recklessly spent, and I see that image, right, And I watch the world have to watch that and I watch the impact that has on people particularly people who? Won't end up with that kind of money right if I see all of that I'm less sympathetic to that than the person like this is back to the Brandon Marshall thing where you was like You have a problem with you putting that online, so it's not The fact that Floyd purchases 50,000 watches, is the fact that it's online. That we know about it. I'm showing it, I'm bragging with it. There's 2 pieces to it, yes. There's 2 pieces, 1 is the flaunting of it. That does make me less sympathetic, that's what I started with. And then there's also the flaunting of it, what he's flaunting is reckless spending. He's not just saying, here's my bank account, here's my money, here's my investments, I would, that would be a little bit different to me.

— [161:09.480 --> 161:33.060] I only don't like that because somebody on the bottom, somebody on a lower rung than you could always look up and say that. That's what I said. I said that's always applicable. I said somebody's going to look at it. And I'd be okay with that. Yeah, he's with that. I'm okay with that. He's still not understanding that. If I went home right now. He ain't waving. He said I'm with that. His shoe example's a perfect example. If I was broke and he said, I don't got no sense. They have a nigga, nigga. They got 300 sneakers. That would make sense to me. That's that rich people sentiment. It's the same.

— [161:33.660 --> 161:37.400] It runs all in that same vein. See, because having 300 pairs of sneakers is reckless.

— [161:37.940 --> 161:38.640] It's irresponsible.

— [161:39.290 --> 161:39.790] Who

— [161:40.440 --> 161:40.940] dictates?

— [161:41.260 --> 161:54.500] It's excessive. How about this? It's excessive. It could be excessive. Yes. I wouldn't call it reckless or irresponsible. You don't deserve hardship because you live in an excessive man. I don't think you deserve it. This is where you take what I'm saying and add another layer to it. You don't deserve sympathy.

— [161:55.080 --> 161:59.400] I didn't say you don't deserve sympathy. He just said he didn't have the sympathy. And I start, and I stipulate,

— [161:59.760 --> 162:01.320] this is where our arguments go weird.

— [162:01.720 --> 162:02.360] I stipulated,

— [162:02.900 --> 162:22.680] I'm not saying this is fair. And then we have a whole conversation, you all trying to convince me of how unfair it is. I agree it's not fair. I began with that. I'm just telling you why I feel that way. Got it, got you. That's it. You a cold, you a cold. Yeah, he a cold, non-brain, but little boy. For what you stand for, you cold, yo. It's consistent with what I stand for. It is.

— [162:23.100 --> 162:23.600] Well,

— [162:23.940 --> 162:24.440] yeah.

— [162:24.920 --> 162:27.180] I guess kind of. Oh, bloody.

— [162:27.540 --> 162:29.280] That nigger's cold. But I was a good kid.

— [162:30.660 --> 162:38.960] He might have been a good kid though. Missy, you cold? Still a good kid I think. He's still a good kid. That's why I know he ain't late. Not late. He's been a good kid his whole life. Yeah.

— [162:39.320 --> 162:46.740] All right, we got through everything. I think we did it. The good kids got it too. I think we got through absolutely everything. I'll get to y'all about Pharrell versus Vans

— [162:47.360 --> 162:48.460] at another time?

— [162:49.340 --> 162:54.740] Do do do do do do. I'm going to run out right now because I got to get to Newark to speak at Weequay High School's

— [162:55.260 --> 162:57.700] graduation. Shout out Weequay. Any inspirational words you want me to share with

— [162:58.520 --> 163:04.280] the crew? From the crew? God bless them. Tell them I said what's up. These your people, Ice. You got any words for people in Newark? Congratulations.

— [163:05.140 --> 163:06.880] Telling myself so. This for the freebie?

— [163:07.240 --> 163:09.120] Yeah, it's for the freebie. It's 100%

— [163:10.440 --> 163:24.440] free. The whole joke time. No, I don't. I'm not talking about the joke. I'm just saying, man. You're leaving work to go, you know. I'm leaving work. I think that you stand for something. I already had a person who came the latest. Oh shit. I'm talking about me leaving. I'm leaving on a conclusion. You came to pride.

— [163:25.000 --> 163:34.020] Who you talking about in that bandwagon comment that you made the last episode? We talking about? When they was talking about bandwagon with Imani and sh** that jumping on the bandwagon. Who you was referring to, boy? Bandwagon about what?

— [163:34.460 --> 163:39.000] Who were you referring to in the last episode that dropped when you were talking about bandwagon?

— [163:39.540 --> 164:05.580] Bandwagon, just remind me. Somebody was saying something about jumping on the bandwagon. Did you watch the episode back? Listen, Imani was saying that just because we agree with Joe, that doesn't mean that we have our own minds. That's what Imani was saying. Something about a subject, with 1 of your counterparts from Philly. And you say, oh, some of us do jump on the bandwagon. Who you referring to? I think I said all of us jump on the bandwagon for different things. There's a lot of dog piling. I got smoke with you now. Oh, I mean, I think you jump on a bengwagon the most it boss and boss agree

— [164:15.360 --> 164:15.860] No

— [164:25.560 --> 164:28.180] Hey, I'm gonna get you yo my time was up

— [164:29.000 --> 164:29.500] Okay

— [164:30.320 --> 164:32.460] Okay, I'll be waiting you outside

— [164:42.740 --> 164:44.540] You want to thank dr. Mark Lamar

— [164:45.080 --> 164:45.580] indeed

— [164:46.100 --> 164:49.940] Spending some time with us before his big speaking engagement, man. Go kill that shit, Mark.

— [164:50.660 --> 164:51.680] Shout out to the graduates.

— [164:52.020 --> 164:54.040] Yeah, shout out to the graduates. Congratulations, graduates, man.

— [164:55.240 --> 164:57.320] The inner cities that we're going to go back to?

— [164:59.160 --> 165:04.560] Just to feel it, Smell it. Yeah. See what it's like, dog. Please. Oh, there go my chain.

— [165:05.020 --> 165:07.280] Oh, geez. Don't worry, it's coming back home soon.

— [165:07.820 --> 165:17.860] Probably another 10 days, something like that. He don't respect y'all votes, y'all. It's coming back home. Mark, get the fuck out. I see you starting to get yourself. Yo, this nigga, boy, He will lobby for the votes, boy.

— [165:18.660 --> 165:21.420] He don't respect y'all votes, y'all.

— [165:21.760 --> 165:23.220] Yeah, that's crazy.

— [165:23.720 --> 165:26.180] What? We got to do a pic, right? Uh-huh.

— [165:26.820 --> 165:28.120] Pic? Pic what?

— [165:28.760 --> 165:29.260] Picture.

— [165:29.760 --> 165:30.260] Mark!

— [165:30.700 --> 165:34.820] Go ahead, man. We'll take the picture without you. It's fine. We'll photoshop you.

— [165:35.140 --> 165:37.040] Listen man, y'all hold it down.

— [165:37.460 --> 165:41.960] Hopefully y'all have enjoyed this episode as much as we enjoyed delivering it to you.

— [165:42.700 --> 165:46.940] Keep us in your prayers, Lord knows we need to be there until the next time we bid you adieu.

— [165:47.320 --> 165:53.640] Farewell, adios, arriba, derci, hasta la vista, au revoir, so long, goodbye, or simple head nod will suffice.

— [165:54.320 --> 165:57.440] Remember, life is a series of moments and moments pass.

— [165:58.240 --> 166:01.660] So let's make this 1 last as if it's all we

— [166:02.080 --> 166:02.580] have.

— [166:03.160 --> 166:07.360] And last but certainly not least, the baddies are insecure, the stagnant women wanna travel,

— [166:07.820 --> 166:12.780] and the closed-minded women want you to teach them things grab you a Tylenol. You might need it

— [166:13.540 --> 166:19.220] Any plans for the week plans for the week Plans for the week anybody anybody anybody anybody anybody? Nah nah nah nah nah nah just be around

— [166:19.820 --> 166:25.260] Going to Brooklyn tonight for the Wale show That's about it The time is crazy

— [166:26.160 --> 166:30.080] Brooklyn Paramount Okay I like that spot That shit is nice

— [166:30.720 --> 166:32.700] Nobody said what they got for Father's Day

— [166:33.340 --> 166:34.580] nothing for socks

— [166:35.200 --> 166:36.360] food food

— [166:38.000 --> 166:38.500] Okay,

— [166:39.440 --> 166:40.600] Jimmy Choo, I think

— [166:42.540 --> 166:43.620] Shut the link you

— [166:45.880 --> 166:46.900] I didn't say nothing

— [166:49.200 --> 167:07.100] Why if I didn't say nothing I'm gonna mourn that you got it on I'm on I don't want to get smacked if I didn't say nothing. So when do you want to get smacked? When I say something that warrants getting smacked. But if I'm quiet, that means that I thought about the smack and I didn't want it. So I'm sure now. You looked at me and smiled. Yeah, I'm cool. Yeah, I'm just telling you. When I called you and laughed. No, that was funny.

— [167:10.060 --> 167:10.920] Shout out to the princess.

— [167:11.720 --> 167:14.880] No, that was funny. Yeah, yeah. I called everybody after that.

— [167:15.420 --> 167:20.660] Word, I'm like, what the fuck? Hey, how you doing? Look at his mouth. Whee!

— [167:21.040 --> 167:22.400] I'm like, alright Flip, what you want?

— [167:23.640 --> 167:26.100] What I got for Father's Day? I got some cologne,

— [167:26.720 --> 167:27.840] I got a charcuterie

— [167:28.280 --> 167:28.780] board.

— [167:29.760 --> 167:36.540] Nice. A card, a keychain, and a mug. Not bad, not a bad haul. That's why, that's why. It's a good haul. My baby took me out and

— [167:38.660 --> 167:41.020] she was like, I'll take you out. And

— [167:41.940 --> 167:48.240] she overheard me talking about I wanted to get that new aura ring that came out. And she surprised me with it. Is that a sex toy? Uh-huh.

— [167:48.580 --> 167:51.520] Is that a sex toy? I thought you overheard him saying he wanted to get some aura.

— [167:52.380 --> 167:59.020] No, I got aura. What a ring you, man. No, I got aura. The ring she was talking about? I got aura. It's an aura ring. I got aura. Smart ring.

— [167:59.680 --> 168:00.760] Oh, OK. This

— [168:01.100 --> 168:05.740] nigga, boy, you are the worst, my nigga. Yo, it was right there, man.

— [168:06.340 --> 168:16.220] All right, man, what you all on for the week? Anything, anything, anything, anything, anything, anything? That's it, man. Enjoying the rain, man. That's it. Y'all are down out there, man. Rest in peace Tina Marie. Y'all Enjoy your week.

— [168:16.540 --> 168:20.560] We'll be back same time, same place this weekend if God permits.

— [168:21.240 --> 168:22.840] And that's all we got for you.

— [168:23.620 --> 168:24.440] Here you go.

— [168:25.140 --> 168:27.620] I can't cut her off now, sorry. Sorry,

— [168:28.320 --> 168:30.560] she wig out today, I gotta hear her wig out.

— [168:31.620 --> 168:35.040] Again, y'all have a good week out there. Go Nix, go Nix, go Nix.

— [168:35.780 --> 168:37.240] Till next time, big man.

— [168:38.300 --> 168:39.900] Yeah, go Nix, championship,

— [168:40.480 --> 168:42.820] repeat time. Stop playing with us.

— [168:44.220 --> 168:44.720] News,

— [168:46.300 --> 168:49.540] news, news, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, news, news, news, news,

— [168:51.360 --> 168:53.140] no, news, no, news, no, no,

— [168:54.220 --> 168:55.460] no, no, no, news,

— [168:55.820 --> 168:57.840] news, news, news, news, news. No Joe... No Joe... No Joe Bun! No Joe Bun! Ahhhhhhhhhh No for God's sake! JVP,

— [168:58.540 --> 169:00.180] JVP, Why am I to be without the JVP?!

— [169:01.780 --> 169:05.440] We'll fold that up right now! You've never heard of Joe Bun?

— [169:08.380 --> 169:09.520] No Joe Bun!

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